tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4364805792882783170.post8273988082372271643..comments2023-11-03T09:20:52.837-04:00Comments on Disney Film Project: The Jazz FoolRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05126059549015204825noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4364805792882783170.post-66333551235357861882009-06-16T21:43:59.978-04:002009-06-16T21:43:59.978-04:00I see what you're saying, Mac. I think watchi...I see what you're saying, Mac. I think watching all the cartoons in a compressed time frame brings out the flaws moreso than if I saw them months and years apart as originally presented.<br /><br />I definitely recognize the role that music is playing in these early shorts. The Silly Symphonies are pure music videos, and they are delightful for the most part. And I know that in later shorts, like The Band Concert, that Mickey has a story and music integrated perfectly. It's just hard to see the pendulum swing so far one way after we saw such great storytelling in the Oswald shorts.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126059549015204825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4364805792882783170.post-45755841024251344092009-06-16T02:33:38.533-04:002009-06-16T02:33:38.533-04:00Ryan, as much as I like these happy, dancing music...Ryan, as much as I like these happy, dancing musical cartoons, I can understand your frustration. The focus and progression of fun, simple stories has been somewhat replaced by a new kind of entertainment which can be a bit repetitive (especially when the same ideas are reused - like the biting piano). It's a shame because Mickey is such a cool character with great potential for adventures and mischievous fun!<br /><br />The good news is that later on, when storytelling becomes more key to the process again, music will play an important role. Therefore, we get a wonderful balance of music and visuals in order to tell a story. I suppose I'm trying to say that Disney's experience in both story-based and music-based cartoons will combine to make something new. We'll see this in B.D's example of "Building a Building" and it will lead on to other things like "Snow White" (imagine Disney's version of that story told without music).Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701967442508380462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4364805792882783170.post-47513405022865763712009-06-14T11:39:43.664-04:002009-06-14T11:39:43.664-04:00No doubt, these cartoons were original and fresh f...No doubt, these cartoons were original and fresh for the time, and yes, sound is a big reason why. It just seems like the advent of sound somewhat slowed down the progress that Disney had made with storytelling and animation in the Oswald shorts. <br /><br />It's a good point, B.D., that Plane Crazy and Gallopin' Gaucho were silent films that had sound added on. It seems as though since that point, the soundtrack was the dominant force in the shorts, while the characters and the story were secondary.<br /><br />I'm probably biased, because I prefer strong story to anything else. I'm not trying to say that the Mickey shorts are not good, because they are. I enjoy every one of them. But when you've seen someone achieve more, you always want them to keep up that level of achievement. It just seems like sound cartoons have slowed the progress, not helped it along.<br /><br />Kevin, I agree, these cartoons have energy that other sound musicals did not have. They are still good films, but there's just something missing, and that something is the story.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126059549015204825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4364805792882783170.post-77251809532178611122009-06-13T20:20:09.302-04:002009-06-13T20:20:09.302-04:00The live action film musical was quickly establish...The live action film musical was quickly established as the favorite, most popular form of early talkie motion pictures. "Review" pictures, featuring favorite photoplay stars in all talking, all singing and dancing numbers, were being churned out by every major studio in Hollywood at this time.<br />The best, most widely recognized of these? <br />These very same Mickey Mouse cartoons we are reviewing here.<br />Keep in mind, also, that nobody had ever seen such perfectly synchronized sound and drawing before. There IS something awfully funny, to this day, about the way Mickey beats the HELL out of his piano, all perfectly in time. It's the shear pleasure of watching such great, clever comic mayhem all working out perfectly to the beat of the music before our eyes. What's going to happen next? Who knows. Imagine the excitement at the Disney studios as each short pushed the limits of what went before. Imagine theaters full of people howling and screaming with laughter at the most clever film footage they had ever experienced.<br />You wanna see something creaky and old? Try getting through "The Broadway Melody" from 1929.<br />Personally I'd rather watch Mickey Mouse.<br />It's more fresh and alive!Kevin C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4364805792882783170.post-51218109352419033152009-06-13T19:09:55.530-04:002009-06-13T19:09:55.530-04:00Well, Plane Crazy and The Gallopin' Gaucho wer...Well, <i>Plane Crazy</i> and <i>The Gallopin' Gaucho</i> were originally animated as silent films. The first one designed with sound in mind was <i>Steamboat Willie</i>, which doesn't have much of a plot.B.D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4364805792882783170.post-14940395301823112382009-06-13T18:31:42.818-04:002009-06-13T18:31:42.818-04:00I have to say, Mac, that the animation quality, as...I have to say, Mac, that the animation quality, as far as the strength of the line and 'cleanliness' as you put it, is very good. I do think the skill of the animation has improved, even though the storytelling has not.<br /><br />B.D., I think the sound is a big part of the change, no doubt, but there was some decent storytelling in Plane Crazy and The Gallopin' Gaucho. Why did that suddenly devolve into the world's earliest music videos? I know that sound was credited for a big part of the early Mickeys success, but it was not entirely the reason, was it?Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05126059549015204825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4364805792882783170.post-16941498803235587372009-06-13T10:27:05.639-04:002009-06-13T10:27:05.639-04:00My best guess as to why the format of the shorts h...My best guess as to why the format of the shorts has been changing from the Oswalds and proto-Mickeys would be a shift in the focus of the audience. In the Oswald era, there was no sound, so presumably the main attraction of the shorts would be the gags or the story, necessitating a formula that allowed for a strong plot with plenty of room for bodily distortions and any other gags they could come up with. In the Mickey shorts, it's often been reported (and is clearly on display here) that their popularity was largely due to the novelty of sound, so they presumably wouldn't need the old story/gags formula, and would be concentrating primarily on doing whatever allowed them to shoehorn in as much music as possible. In a few years, once the novelty started to wear off, they went back to relying primarily on story and gags again - in fact, the Oscar nominated <i>Building a Building</i>, from 1933, is essentially a Mickeyfied remake of <i>Sky Scrappers</i>.B.D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4364805792882783170.post-38340690825362360662009-06-13T09:33:19.302-04:002009-06-13T09:33:19.302-04:00After some slightly ugly animation of Mickey turni...After some slightly ugly animation of Mickey turning his head early on (somehow the angles are all wrong) the 'cleanliness' of "Choo Choo" continues and we've got a pretty good-looking short. The barns Mickey travels past look very clean and less run down than in previous shorts. Also, although the wheel might need a little fixing and the cutain has been patched up a bit, Mickey's Big Road Show looks very clean.<br /><br />My favourite part is when Mickey and Horace first arrive at their destination. The music at this moment is at it's most catchiest (for me at least) and the animation is at it's most delightfully bounciest! It's cool how Horace plays his teeth, shoes, head, a cat etc in perfect synch.<br /><br />This also has maybe the weirdest moment in a Disney cartoon so far. Mickey finds and spanks the piano's bum! It's unusual enough how the piano sometimes seem to be just a piano, but can reveal a face and attitude when he's being treated to rough, but for it to have a human-like backside as well? It's weird, yet somehow works according the odd logic of this early era!Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701967442508380462noreply@blogger.com